I ask judge backseatpilot the following:
The previous judge has ruled that 305 is now over, that a vote in unnecessary, and that it is now turn 306.
Do you accept that your office begins immediately, that 306 is in progress, and that you are now the judge?
This is an official invocation of judgment, by the way.
And I am claiming to invoke, obviously, in turn 306.
AAA, I'm nominating you for the Medal of Awesome Judging. Your tenure will be missed.
Hm. Good judging, AAA.
Why is this judgement necessary? Your ruling just established that it is now turn 306. Are you undermining your own (former) authority?
Should have been aren't you.
Building precedent, ctmf.
If it's still technically turn 305, then I'm not the judge, right?
If I'm the judge, though, yes, let's move on.
bsp, I think the main question you need to decide is whether or not you're the judge.
As far as I see it, you have a few options. (1) Claim that you are in fact judge and that of course 306 has begun. (2) Claim that you aren't judge and you wish that the current judge for turn 305, AAA, would make a ruling on this. (3) Suggest that turn 305 is over but turn 306 has not yet begun, and therefore you aren't judge quite yet.
The main idea is that you need to make a claim on whether or not you are judge, and this will clear up the issue of which turn it is. The previous judge has obviously tried to step down and pass the reins to you. Will you take them?
We're in a funny sort of rules paradox if both possible judges are constantly ruling that the other is in fact the judge. I'd be very much in support of bsp decided he was in fact the judge and ruled that 306 was now in progress.
This sort of gamesmanship won't be necessary later, but we've been at this for weeks and we've barely passed a single proposal. Contrary to what some other people have said, we *do* need to speed things up if we're ever going to get anywhere.
In that light, then, I claim to be the judge and decide that we are now in turn 306. Chuck can make his rule proposal.
backseatpilot: I urge you to consider the following:
AAA was never asked to judge the issue of the need for a vote to move on. Per rule 212, judges are only decide questions that have been put them by a judgement invocation. Therefore, everything that AAA has said, excepting the declaration that 305 was over, is moot.
Not only are most of his "judgements" not valid per 212, they make no sense in the context of the game. He has repeatedly held that any turn is over as soon as the player calculates his points, which allows any player to close voting whenever they like (for example, after registering the sole vote). Secondly, per 212 we have the right to overrule a judgement by unanimous vote, but that vote must take place before the start of the next turn. By declaring that his judgement ends the turn and begins the next, AAA attempts to deprive us of the right to overrule his judgement. If we are to follow such a procedure in the future, it would be trivial for someone to invoke judgement on a turn where they are the judge, declare whatever they desire, and then declare the current turn ended and the next begun (depriving us of the opportunity to overrule the judgement).
bonobo is the next player.
The judge has spoken. Bonobo is the man.
Heh. Bonobo is the woman. Give me a few minutes to catch up on the recent discussions and I'll get things going with 306, if that's what we're waiting on.
Didn't mean to appear as if I flaked out. Had one exhibition opening and another show closing this weekend.
--Beatrice