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I contend that, seeing as the current vote has been open for six days (since April 4), and further that 17 out of 27 "active" players have voted, it can be reasonably assumed that the other seven "active" players have abstained. Thus, everyone has "participated" and this turn has ended and we can move on to the next turn.

Of course, I realize that there are different opinions on what "player", "active", and "participate" are. But I trust to our current judge to decide these matters for us right now.

In my opinion, the current vote has not been open for six days, but two; the vote was postponed until we ended the previous turn and opened soon after that turn was ended. Still, it's 1's call.

Ah, I see what you mean, flatluigi. However, the vote has still been open for at least 48 hours, a majority of the players have voted and about a third of these have voted no. Thus, the proposal has failed. I believe we could wait another few days, send out emails to all those who haven't voted, wait to see if they vote, etc. Or we could ask our judge if this turn is over, and if 1 rules that it is, then we only need a simple majority vote in order to proceed to the next turn.

I am not invoking judgment on what as active player is etc, only on whether this turn has ended. I do not believe that declaring this turn over will in any way affect the status of the ten people who haven't voted, should they decide to continue participating.

Also, I do not believe that this game needs to be particularly fast moving. I like the idea of having a couple of / few days to vote on things. However, we have had a long time to discuss and vote on this proposal and it has now failed. I think it is time to move on.

Also, I do not believe that this game needs to be particularly fast moving. I like the idea of having a couple of / few days to vote on things. However, we have had a long time to discuss and vote on this proposal and it has now failed. I think it is time to move on.

I couldn't agree more. I hereby judge "what mossessis said." In my opinion I note that while the purpose of this game is indeed sticking to the rules fastidiously, I also note that it's "kind of retarded" to keep doing so when it does not affect the outcome and, citing the learned Dr. Phil McGraw, I observe that we must not allow the perfect to become the enemy of the good. I hearby rule that we move on, BUT for purposes of calculating his score, the one known as meatbomb may wait up to a week to perform said calculation if he expects to receive more "aye" votes. However as soon as he calculates his score, that score is final.

Cool. Thanks, 1.

212. When Judgment has been invoked, the next player may not begin his or her turn without the consent of a majority of the other players.

Ok, so now that this turn has been judged over, I'd like to open the "giving consent" phase.

I hereby give my consent to the next player to being his or her turn.

I would also like to give consent.

Sure, I give consent.

Yes, let's continue

+1

I don't agree, with moving on or with the judgement. Rule 105 still states that all players have to vote and you're not even pretending to try and follow the rule. It has only been 39 hours since this was both opened and had the actual wording of the vote added to the thread, give the others a chance to at least SEE that there is a vote before you decide to stop playing properly. It's pretty rich that the proposed rule gives a minimum time to vote and you can't even wait that long before giving up.

Every single vote so far has tried (and usually succeeded) to overturn 105 but it's still a rule, and the attempt to change it was voted down (indicating that at least some of us want it to stay a rule). If we're going to continually pick and choose which rules we follow why even bother playing?

If I need to re-invoke judgement I will. I'm sick of one or two people getting bored and bitching and whining and the rules being ignored because of it. However I've just had a very long day in the lab, have several hours still to do here this evening (it's 6 pm on Friday), plus an early Saturday morning in the lab again tomorrow so it will be tomorrow aftenoon before I have the time or mental capacity to work out the wording.

reposting from the vote thread:

I am now taking my score, MY TURN IS NOW OFFICIALLY OVER.

It is now next guy's turn.

I am now the judge for any new Invocations.

303-291 = 12 * .75 = 8 points.

I consent to the vote to move on (duh).

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I consent to moving on.

I consent to move on, though I disagree with the judgment. The vote only properly began, IMO, when it was made clear what we were voting on.

shelleycat - Thank you for sharing your opinion.

If we're going to continually pick and choose which rules we follow why even bother playing?

In my opinion, all of the rules have been properly followed. There was a question of procedure, judgment was invoked, judgment was passed. I believe that the rules more than allow for what has happened. Please provide cites for why you believe they were not.

If you are dissatisfied with this judgment, then, per rule 212:

The Judge's Judgment may be overruled only by a unanimous vote of the other players taken before the next turn is begun.

The next turn has not begun yet, as there has not been a majority vote to move on yet. So, if you believe you can get a unanimous vote, the rules absolutely allow you to do this. But I'm a little annoyed that I'm doing your research for you. Next time you have a complaint, please come armed with a proper argument.

Also, I am not bored, nor bitching, nor whining. I am very much enjoying the game and I believe the purpose is not warm fuzzies but following the rules and making new rules.

I won't vote to turn over the judgment. We need a reasonable pace here and the rules do allow this.

Remember the goal is not to follow the letter of the law unless someone actually has a problem with a move.
So moving on after a few days, barring objections is ok unless someone shows up and invokes judgement.

2 days per proposal seems like ample time to discuss/vote if you're interested.

HEAR HEAR jeblis!

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yo consento

That makes 9 votes of consent out of the 14 needed.

10

Yes

Okay, so anomie is cleared to propose 304...

Also consesnt, FWIW.

By my count, we're still two votes short.

Rule 105 says that all eligibile players must participate. Participation is an active process, there is no way you can all say that players have participated when a vote is opened then closed before they even have a chance to see it. If players are otherwise commenting or visiting the cite, see the vote and don't vote then maybe you could argue abstention but this did not happen.

In the judgement you said the vote had been open for six days, this was blatantly wrong. Instead the proposal was pasted in the voting thread, which is when we were able to properly vote on it, 6 am on Thursday and you invoked judgement to close it again at 8 am Friday. This is not even remotely reasonable in my view, particularly given that the proposal itself suggests a 48 hour timeframe. You couldn't even wait two whole days, sounds like whining to me. You haven't even been able to get a majority yet for this one, shows that maybe some players need to adjust their expectations as to how fast things move and how often everyone checks in - some of us have lives that don't include constant internet usage.

I won't be voting yes on any further proposals unless it is made clear when the clock starts on these things, there is some kind of notification system in place (mailing list is most likely) and on the proviso that no one decides to close things early.

We have a 100% quorum still in effect, this constant whining to move on before we met quorum breaks this rule every time. If we move on before a players even gets to see there is a vote we make it harder and harder for them to participate in the future. As it stands we might as well put a message on the front page saying anyone who is not here all day every day, during your day*, is not welcome. Because that is what is happening.
(*for any definition of your, it's not just one person doing this)

8 am Friday

Sorry, 9 am Friday. Well a bit before but whatever.

I consent to moving on as well.

i'm with shelleycat.

this was a bit quick, although there's nothing illegal with the judgment or the invocation.