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Vote: 308 - Amendment to Rule 305

For
71% (12 votes)
Against
29% (5 votes)
Total votes: 17
  • By ctmf at 04/30/2008 - 21:07
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308: Amendment to Rule 305

Every player is an eligible voter. Every eligible voter may participate in every vote on rule-changes.

A vote on rule changes may be closed before all players have voted, at the discretion of the player proposing it; however, every vote on rule changes must be open for a minimum of 48 hours unless every player has voted or explicitly abstained. Players who have not yet voted when the vote is closed will be considered to have abstained.

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  • By ctmf at 04/30/2008 - 21:09
 
 

Since tallus left a "yes" vote in advance, by my count this has failed. When ctmf takes points it'll be time for 309.

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  • By gerryblog at 05/03/2008 - 06:51
 
 

The "total votes" number includes tallus's vote, even though it's not shown on the voting tally--if you count up the votes listed on the voting tally, there's 15 there, so the "16" shown includes tallus. We're still waiting for bonobo to vote.

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  • By Chuck at 05/03/2008 - 06:55
 
 

Nevermind -- bonobo has yet to vote. If someone wants a judgment to remove her from the player list, I'd support that, but there's no real rush as flatluigi has yet to post anything for 309.

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  • By gerryblog at 05/03/2008 - 06:55
 
 

Has anyone emailed flatluigi to tell him/her that we are waiting for a proposal?

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  • By ssg at 05/03/2008 - 09:45
 
 

I'm around, don't worry.

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  • By flatluigi at 05/03/2008 - 12:10
 
 

Bonobo logged in less than a week ago.

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  • By jay at 05/04/2008 - 11:15
 
 

ctmf, I think it's time to take your points so we can move on. IF NO ONE INVOKES JUDGMENT OVER IT (hint), we can move on without any further delay.

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  • By gerryblog at 05/06/2008 - 13:59
 
 

Nope. Not until every player participates.

It shouldn't need pointing out, but this situation is exactly what this proposal was about. Good job everyone not passing it (or more to the point, Chuck's proposal, which would have made this one pass).

Yes, I'm pissed, and not because it was my proposal. I'm pissed because the last two proposals were SO BLINDINGLY OBVIOUSLY what we need, and there are still people who will get so wrapped around the details that they'll sacrifice the goal for it.

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  • By ctmf at 05/06/2008 - 17:02
 
 

ctmf, bonobo may not be coming back. I'll give her another day, but then I'll invoke judgment. If she's not coming back, she's not a player anymore, and so every player has already participated...

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  • By gerryblog at 05/06/2008 - 17:09
 
 

If someone wants to invoke judgement and have bonobo removed from the list, I'm OK with that - we've already established that that's the only way to move on legally.

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  • By ctmf at 05/06/2008 - 17:20
 
 

"Nope. Not until every player participates."

You know how our tradition goes around here, you naughty monkey. The players have, by definition, participated.

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  • By Aaron A Aaronson at 05/06/2008 - 18:19
 
 

There is no tradition. There are only rules.

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  • By jay at 05/06/2008 - 18:27
 
 

212 refers to "game-custom", do forgive me for my shorthand.

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  • By Aaron A Aaronson at 05/06/2008 - 18:32
 
 

Game-custom only applies where the rules are silent. By Rule 305, I cannot close the vote until bonobo, who is a player barring judgement to the contrary and therefore an eligible voter, participates.

The fact that players who didn't vote on previous turns were considered not players then does not make an unstated rule that that will always be the case. It's possible (and likely, I'd guess) that a judge could rule the same now, but it's not an automatic action.

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  • By ctmf at 05/06/2008 - 19:08
 
 

So AAA didn't want 48 hours because it's too long, yet this was posted last Thursday, it's now Wednesday and the next vote hasn't started. How is cutting that down to 48 hours going to slow things down?

This is getting frustrating. Unless someone changes their mind we're never going to get the game actually going properly, and since I'm right (i.e. 48 hours is plenty slow enough and a damn sight faster than what's been happening) it won't be me.

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  • By shelleycat at 05/06/2008 - 21:46
 
 

And rule 212 only says the judge has to consider game custom. There's no reason why they can't consider it to be stupid and reject it, then make judgement as they see fit.

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  • By shelleycat at 05/06/2008 - 21:48
 
 

players subtract 291 from the ordinal number of their proposal and multiply the result by the fraction of favorable votes it received, rounded to the nearest integer.

Ordinal number of proposal: 308
291 from the ordinal number of proposal: 17 (a)

For: 12
Against: 4
Total votes: 16
fraction of favorable votes it received: 0.75
fraction of favorable votes it received, rounded to nearest integer: 1 (b)

291 from the ordinal number of their proposal and multiply the result by the fraction of favorable votes it received, rounded to the nearest integer: = (a) * (b) = 17

Plus (-10) from Rule 206: 17 + (-10) = 7 points.

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  • By ctmf at 05/07/2008 - 11:51
 
 

I see what you did there.

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  • By Chuck at 05/07/2008 - 11:58
 
 

heh. Seven minutes.

It's really 3.

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  • By ctmf at 05/07/2008 - 11:59
 
 

I think all the previous scores need to be readjusted.

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  • By Aaron A Aaronson at 05/07/2008 - 12:24