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Rule 305 states "Every player is an eligible voter. Every eligible voter must participate in every vote on rule-changes." My argument is that two days of pointedly choosing not to vote is certainly participate, and I point to the participation of non-voters in the thread as evidence that by virtue of their not yet casting a vote, they must be choosing to abstain.

Well, now there are two "no" votes. And as of the time of writing this comment, it's been just about 48 hours to the minute, which has been used as the minimum amount of time for voting so far.

I will judge that the motion has failed and once bonobo tallies her points the turn is over.

One of the reasons I say this is precedent, but I'm not sure it's been fully fleshed out as such before: since every eligible voter must participate, those that do not are not eligible voters. Thus, they are not players. The logic is flawed, I know, but really - if you can't be bothered to look at this site for four days straight (since discussion on the proposal has been going on for awhile), then it's unlikely you'll be arsed to participate and other are itching to move on.

Okay, barring the opposition of a majority of players, this judgment will stand. Once bonobo calculates her points Chuck can propose 307.

If it means anything, I give consent to move on.

I consent to moving on.

Moving right along, then...

I posted the following in the 306 vote thread, too:

(309-291) * (fraction of favorable votes over total number of players) = my score rounded
15 * 13/19 = 10

Thanks, all. I appreciate the participation and feedback.

If a judgment is invoked on the next turn and I don't respond in a timely fashion -- an admin can send a mail or anyone on MetaFilter can MeMail me. School's winding up for the semester, I graduate in a few weeks, and things are getting hectic.

Bah. That should be 306-291.

I consent to moving on.

I am glad to see we are following game tradition, and have done away with those illegal "consent" polls every round.

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While I object to the poll as a mechanism of establishing consent, I still believe active consent from a majority of players is required. I do not accept the "silence implies consent" argument.

But their eyes say "yes!"

Well, I'll make a show of consenting actively for Chuck, though there's no rush to post 307 until we're reasonably sure AAA won't torpedo it.

I'm good with moving on. I agree that active consent should be received in order to move on, but an informal poll like this should be fine.

I also consent to move on. That makes 6, so we need 2 more to make a majority (I'm reading backseatpilot's judgement to mean that the four that didn't vote on the last proposal are no longer players, so we have 15 players left).

I think a poll is the way to establish consent (players who don't look in this thread aren't going to know there is a need for consent to move on, so I think it will take longer to establish a majority this way versus a poll that shows up on the main page), but we can see how this goes.

ssg is right, I've edited the player list accordingly. Those players (and anyone else) can become players again just by readding themselves to the current players list...

Where is this list? Cab we get a prominent link to it on the sidebar?

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AAA: Look in the sidebar, under the section titled with your username for the List of Players link.

It's under "Current State of the Game": "List of Players."

duh. yeah, doesn't get more prominent than that.

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+1

Are we still doing this? I explicitly consent to moving on.

If we're going to do this anyway, the poll method seems easier. I almost couldn't figure out where this was going on when someone mentioned it in another thread.

And, Chuck, I don't understand your objection to the poll method. What's the important difference, that makes this ok to you and not that?

I'm not arguing (yet, I'm sure we'll get around to that eventually), just wondering.

No poll is needed, this has no official game standing. Current action is our comfy chat about 307.

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In any case, we now have 8 players here who have consented to move on, so Chuck is free to put his proposal to vote whenever he wants.

I agree with ctmf on the poll issue. I can't see why there is a difference between an informal poll following a judgement and a separate voting thread. A voting thread just makes it easier for everyone to see that their action is required.

easier for everyone to see that their action is required

The point is, no action is required. Chuck should have formally proposed 3 days ago.

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I only count seven players who have consented to moving on:

mosessis
volkspider
Chuck
gerryblog
backseatpilot
ssg
ctmf

(AAA has expressed his opinion that consent is not necessary, but that is not the same as actually consenting to move on.)

And, Chuck, I don't understand your objection to the poll method.

It's too easily mistaken for a vote, which it is not. Please understand, I'm not arguing that the poll method is not legally effective, only that I don't like it.

There is no requirement that consent be formally stated. Consent of the majority can be inferred from the fact that not a single person has objected to moving on.

If we had to take a poll, or a vote, or have a roll call, the rules would say so. We can move on, don't sweat this. It's time to post 307...

Obviously, I consent to move on since I finished my turn by calculating my points (incorrectly, I might add--thanks for straightening me out on that, ssg). Speaking as a player, I don't see any rule stating that Chuck must put his proposal up for vote by any particular point in time. Still, participants may get annoyed, lose interest, or vote out of spite -- no rules against any of that, either.

bonobo, I take it from the qualifier "speaking as a player" that you aren't yet speaking as a judge? Let me direct you to Rule 111:

A reasonable time must be allowed for this debate. The proponent decides the final form in which the proposal is to be voted on and, unless the Judge has been asked to do so, also decides the time to end debate and vote.

After what this player would consider more than a reasonable time, you've been asked by AAA to end debate and start the vote -- and this player sincerely hopes you do.

I'm happy for things to move on.

My back is a bit messed up right now so computer use is sparse. I'll be voting but not much else for a while.