316 is an amendment to 202.
amend to paragraph 1
Unless a judgement has been invoked a players turn shall end 24 hours after closing of the vote. The next turn will begin immediately.
amend to paragraph 2
Any player may calculate the score except the presiding judge of the turn that is being scored. Any dispute arising over the score will be settled by that judge regardless of who is the current judge.
N.B. This isn't the proposal I was intending but I have to move house this week, so I have no more time, and this needs settling
When Judgment has been invoked, the next player may not begin his or her turn without the consent of a majority of the other players or until after a period of 24 hours has passed from the time Judgment is delivered if there are no objections during that time.
According to ssg's reading of 313 this posting is illegal.
gerryblog, we've long allowed pre-discussion of proposals.
Right -- but in this context that pre-discussion indicates it's tallus's turn. If tallus's turn hadn't already begun, as you claim, then he can't start it now with this thread until 24 hours after judgment is delivered on your invocations below.
If posting this thread doesn't indicate the start of tallus's turn for you, what would? The posting of the voting thread? That isn't what the rules say.
That doesn't establish that it's tallus's turn, since we allow pre-discussion threads while the prior proposal is still in vote.
It does establish that tallus is playing the game, and is a player, though.
tallus, is there any reason that you can't withdraw this invocation and begin your turn by opening discussion on your proposal? If you want to re-invoke once your turn has begun, you are welcome to.
# By ssg at 06/06/2008 - 20:37
My point here is simply to demonstrate that ssg is being too hard-headed on this. One turn begins when the previous ends; no need to imagine there's a gap.
Do we really need to wait 24h after the close of voting for every turn? I'd be happy enough to see the current judge's tenure extended until the next proposal is put to vote, which avoids having the current player become judge right after they take their points. I think it would be better to amend 313, rather than 202.
We've had pre-discussion two turns prior, let alone one. The rules say nothing about when we can discuss possible rules, just that we should do so for a reasonable amount of time.
I could post a thread now about what I may or may not put up for vote when it's my next turn. At least then I'd be more prepared than I was last time. Then we could discuss it for several months, get to my actual turn and I then post something entirely different which you've never seen before. There's nothing in the rules to regulate this either way and certainly some game custom to support it.
As for actually discussing the rule, I'm good with the amendment to paragraph one and don't really get the amendment to paragraph two.
I declare this is also the official discussion thread of my proposal 75 turns from now. How many bricks should kill a giant snail?
Given that we've completed one full circuit, we should pass a rule saying that anyone can post a rule proposal at any time. It's ridiculous that we have to wait like this. RIDICULOUS. CRISIS.
the amendment to paragraph 2 is meant to ensure that no one is the judge on a dispute about their own score. The proposal doesn't set a time limit on when the score is posted, so needs some provision in the case of a dispute arising about it.
Given that we've completed one full circuit, we should pass a rule saying that anyone can post a rule proposal at any time.
I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I do think we could lose the strict turn thing.
shall I move this to vote? 24 hours has lapsed since the last judgement.
I think so.
Do it.